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I think that a news feature will be helpful just to let anyone who is interested know whats going on. There may not be a lot of updates, but I will try and post important changes and events.               

11/12/25
This project is a learning experience. To make the spins better I have learned a lot over its lifespan. To make the Manjaro server better I got the opportunity to learn more about Systemd. The reason is I wanted to have some of the services already enabled like the new Debian server.
The problem is Manjaro, like Arch which its based on, turns all services off by default unless expressly enabled. The way around that to use a service to enable the other services. But that requires at least the new service to be enabled. That is done with systemd-presets and an install script in the package. A crash course on writing Systemd services was the answer to create those new services.
I likely would never have taken as deep a dive into Systemd if this project didnt exist. But it looks like I have automated turning on the services for the server spin. A side benefit is cleaning up the buildiso profiles to remove various work arounds I had scripted because I couldnt get my services enabled on install in the past. While they worked they were not as clean and easy as creating services to do things I wanted during boot like reordering the loading of broadcom kernel modules in a specific order to make the internet work on my old build server when testing an iso.

10/22/25
The server spin was a hit on the Manjaro side. I have now ported it over to Debian and it should be released with the 1125 series. An advantage of doing it is I have created a firewalld config that will work for both the Mangaro and Debian servers.  So once minidlna, apache, firewalld, and cockpit are enabled they will not be blocked by the firewall.

10/15/25
The Manjaro 1025 series is out now. Its a little different without Mate Compiz. But Mate Compiz had its issues. Compiz moved to the AUR sometime back. So every time the libraries it uses were upgraded the package needed to be rebuilt or Compiz stopped providing desktop effects.
Mate is a fork of Gnome 2, and it has a special place in my heart. I have ran Gnome 2 and Mate in the past longer than any other desktop, about 6 years with Compiz. But I no longer use it and instead use LXQt. So I had no idea when the desktop effects would stop working.
There were two choices. Build Compiz with every update or stop offering a spin with it. My time is limited as I care for my bedbound wife 24/7 so constantly rebuilding any package isn't an option. So 925 was the last Mate Compiz.
But I still wanted to offer a Mate desktop. I decided to do what I do with the Debian spins. Give easy to follow instruction to make Talking Mate into a normal Mate desktop by deleting one file. One advantage is that Talking Mate will get a new theme every release using the theme Mate Compiz would have used.
I hope everyone understands. If you like Mate Compiz and want to continue running it you can. SbK Spins are rolling releases and will continue to work as long as they are updated. You will have to rebuild Compiz every so often, but Pamac makes that easy. Simply search for Compiz, click on it in the results and then click the rebuild button.
 
9/21/25
The server took less time to create than I thought. It only took a day and a half. Starting with the IceWM build profile probably helped. This morning I posted the release notes to the Manjaro forum.
I like creating spins that can help people that are not available from the Manjaro project.  The server is a good example. It has Cockpit, Firewalld, and the Minidlna server installed. The user still has to enable and start them but its not to much. Users can add a LAMP stack, or any other software they want. I still want to add a web page for the server to the site, but there is an included readme that will get someone started.

9/19/25
A discussion in the SbK IceWM 925 release thread on the Manjaro forum got me thinking. A server spin might be a good idea. I have a few days to kill before starting on the Debian 1025 series so I started making the packages for a Manjaro server spin. Its going to be a little different than most of the spins. Since servers are usually headless the theming aspect isnt as important. But I do want to make it easy to install. To do that I am going to use IceWM as an install desktop. The theming is going to be based on the current website background. It wont change when new releases come out. It will also only be released every other release cycle like Talking Mate.
The minimal iso will be bare bones. After install users will boot into a command line. The full iso will likely have a IceWM desktop that can be started from the command line on occasion  to make it easier to do some things for those not 100% comfortable with the command line. Both versions will have Cockpit installed so the server can be controlled in a browser on another computer if the server is headless.
Its still early in the server spin development, so it may take some time before iso's are released if all goes to plan.

8/24/25
I am slowly building the Debian 925 series. The initial iso's are done and some minor changes. I fixed a few minor issues with the build scripts, but nothing big, just little issues that have repeatedly popped up that never seemed to get fixed. Then I looked at the future themes. I had started out with 6 months worth of themes when my wife came home in August of 2024. I had added a few here and there, but was almost current. I really like having themes done ahead of time to just plug into releases. So a few days ago I got 8 months of them ready and another 4 months partially done.
It makes a big difference to shift work to slow times and if something comes up at my house releases still go out on time. I know I need to work on the website and list about two years of themes, but that takes a lot of time. By having almost a year of themes in reserve perhaps I can put a little time into it.

8/16/2025
I had a little time to kill between the Manjaro and Debian releases. So I setup the Debian build scripts to create a gpg signature file of the iso. Manjaro has had this for awhile. It will add one more way to make sure the iso you downloaded was created by the SbK project and has not been altered. For more info on how to check an iso see this page.

8/14/25
Its been awile since the last update. I have moved the project from some ancient hardware to slightly newer hardware.  There were a few hiccups to moving things but it only took about 3 days to get everything working. Its made creating the iso's faster.  So much so that I am going to be able to get the Manjaro 825 series out a day early.

4/14/25
I just finished the release of the Manjaro 425 series. It was a day earlier than the projected 15th of the month. The new release plan has taken a lot of crunch time work off of me and spread it out to a manageable schedule. I should have done it long ago.

3/30/25
My wife has been in and out of the hospital a lot recently.  There is a lot on my plate taking care of her and dealing with health care providers.
That being said, I am forced to make some changes to the project. From the beginning I have created Manjaro spins after the release of a stable update. Unfortunately they do not come out on a regular schedule, and thats ok, but its leading to some issues for me.
Debian spins are less of a problem. Updates happen all the time in small batches. So I picked a date, around the first of the month for releases. I can schedule aground other things and slowly have it ready on the first usually. 
I am making the changes because no matter how I try to change the release date for Manjaro, the unpredictability of stable updates end up falling near the first of the month. I have tried to skip an update and do it on one in the middle of the month, but within a month or two its right back to near the first of the month.
So I am going to set a release date of the 15th of the month for Manjaro, and not tie it to stable updates. This will spread out the work needed to create the spins. The only thing is that a new install may get an update soon after install, but updates are not really an issue, they are maintenance tasks when you are running a rolling release distro.

3/3/25
Last week I changed internet providers. I had been with Comcast so long because it was the only option. But I hated the service. It was the slowest tier, but cost $70 a month. It was almost impossible to talk to a real person when there was a problem. The final straw that broke the camels back was internet going down for two days.
After looking for options it turned out T-Mobile, our phone company, offered 5g home internet for $40 a month with a price lock. The first few days I had issues but solved them all, or so I thought. Then the first of the month came and the Debian spins were done. I tried to get up the Debian Forums, but the page wouldnt load and posted an unreachable error. The only site I visit that did it.
Strangely my phone connected, and it runs on the same T-Mobile network. I managed to post the releases using my phone as a hotspot. But I still cant reach it using the 5g home internet. Its going to be hard to check on the posts for replies. I hope it solves itself over time as I have a ticket in on the issue. Even so for a $30 a month savings, its not the end of the world,

2/15/25
Last month I was able to add a desktop to both Manjaro (IceWM) and Debian (Openbox). I had free time because my wife was in the hospital. Earlier this week she came home after being there for about a month. At present free time is pretty much non existent.
The main thing that is on hold is updating the website to add themes that have been created for releases in the last year or so. I had also hoped to create theme packages that would replace a theme with the users choice of the over150 Manjaro themes and over 50 Debian themes the project has created.
Releases will continue as creating them is mostly scripted and I have about 6 months of themes already done. The next Manjaro release will see the addition of the 6.12 LTS kernel to replace 6.6. But that is likely a few weeks away.

2/12/25
I introduced IceWM in the last Manjaro series. I left the bottom panel as a panel. But that makes it an outlier compared to the other spins. One of the SbK features is docks instead of panels. I thought about using plank as I did with Openbox. But decided against it because I want to keep the resource footprint as low as I can and another application will use up ram and cpu. The resources used may not be that big, but there are other options.
Looking at the IceWM preferences file I found exactly what I was looking for. The panel is convertible to a dock similar to the LXQt spin. It doesnt have intelligent autohide,  but it does have application grouping, and the ability to change the size of the panel. Instead of autohide I made the panel sit below windows so they can be full screen. I hope that users like the changes.
If you would like to try the dock, download this file. Rename the original at ~/.config/icewm/preferences and replace it with the one you downloaded, then reboot.
If you find you liked the panel more, delete the ~/.config/icewm/preferences and rename the preferences file you renamed back to preferences, and reboot.

1/25/25
My wife went back into the hospital a day after my last post. She has had lots of ups and downs since going there. I am glad in a way that Manjaro has not updated as it gives me time to focus on her. Its all part of an emotional roller coaster that never seems to end, I would just be happy with some long boring parts. Her name is Sherry and if you read this please say a prayer for her recovery.

1/19/25
I have added some hard drive space because a very old drive was starting to give errors. It held the SbK project. With an extra 1.5 tb I am safe for a little while. While I was looking for a drive I noticed 500gb ssd's were affordable so I got one for my games.
I love games, and some very old games are near and dear to my heart. The Descent series is one of my all time favorites. The original Descent was a dos game and I remember playing it on a Pentium 1 running at 75 MHz. Blazing speed in those days.
Dx1 and Dx2 rebirth are modern code for these old game engines, made possible because Parallax released the code when the games were old. You still need the game content, but GOG has it cheap. I am adding Dx1 and Dx2 rebirth packages to the repository. The files are small and if anyone wants them they can have them without compiling them.

1/12/25
I am splitting off Talking Mate iso hosting. It doesnt really fit with the rest of the desktops because its only released every other release cycle. End users shouldnt notice any difference as its just a url change to another Sourceforge project.

1/9/25
Work has gone well the last couple days. I posted a project update to the Manjaro forums yesterday thinking IceWm would take a month. But today the last of the things to be fixed was fixed. Now its all theming and getting an extra theme ready, that should be finished tomorrow as I am running out of free time today.
I dont anticipate adding any more desktops to the project. Six is a lot to build, seven if you count Talking-Mate every other series. Im likely at my limit, especially when adding the Debian spins to the total, even with scripting doing a lot of the work.

1/7/25
I have had some free time. So I started playing with IceWM for Manjaro. Its starting to look good, and the list of things to fix is getting shorter. It uses very little resources compared to the other desktops I build. It may make an appearance soon. 

12/29/24
I gave up on Enlightenment, but I still wanted to replace Xfce. So I took a look at my collection of profiles and available desktops/window managers.
I took a look at Icewm, but the icewm-utils package thats recommended has vanished from the repos and isnt in the AUR. Still it looks interesting, so I may give it a try in the future. It would likely be the lightest resource spin if I build it.
Then I looked at Budgie. I had built Budgie in the past, its still being developed, and its packages are in the Manjaro repositories. Since it uses gtk there is no need to build new theme generators. So I took some time and updated and organized the iso-profile. It didnt take long. I then built an iso, which worked without errors, and its a very pretty desktop. Looks like I have found my Xfce replacement.

12/28/24
A little update on Enlightenment.
So far I have a mostly working iso-profile. I can build Enlightenment without errors and the image starts to the desktop. I have made it look ok and have solved some issues. But there is an acpid error that pops up that I have been unable to solve. Acpid is enabled in systemd, but at some point it turns off.  Starting it with a terminal command fixes the issue and you can log out and then in without the error.  But its only for that session. I have tried countless ways of doing it automatically, so far none have worked.
The next issue is iso size. I have striped the minimum to just a few apps and it builds to 2.6 gig. The Full iso would likely be around 3.5 gig if not more. Its going to be a challenge to get them smaller.
After that is the maddening complexity. Enlightenment has a ton of settings, likely more than KDE. Its enough to give me a headache.
I then found out that themes are binary blobs. This is a spin killer, it makes theming a big long chore. No thanks, I do this for fun. 
I tried, and got farther, but in the end its just not worth it.

12/25/24
Merry Christmas everyone! I am feeling ambitious. After replacing Gnome with Openbox I have my sights set on replacing Xfce. The desktop I am going to try is Enlightenment.
I have tried to make an Enlightenment spin in the past and failed. So this may take some time, likely a lot of time. I will need to build the Desktop profile, mostly from scratch, and theme generators. Until its ready I will continue building Xfce-Compiz.

12/22/24
After adding Openbox to the Manjaro spins, I decided to add it to the Debian lineup as well. This proved more challenging than I thought, and I learned a ton during the initial setup. I am still tweaking it a little as I have over a week before the Debian 1/25 series is released, but its looking good. What I have learned will help the Manjaro version as well, especially the start menu.

12/16/24
In order to align the Manjaro builds to the middle of the month I am building the 24.2.1 series starting today. Its a little much doing the Manjaro and Debian series within a few days of each other. Debian is done at the first of the month and Manjaro is tied to an update cycle so Manjaro is the easiest to move.
Gnome has been dropped, though it might resurface later when Cosmic is closer to release status. Right now its in early Alpha. Xfce-Compiz is in the 24.2.1 series, but it may get dropped as well. It shares a lot of functionality with Mate-Compiz and Xfce is one of the three desktops the Manjaro project releases. Just not sure what if anything would replace it.
Openbox received a little work and its theming should be better. Its nice to have a low resource Gtk desktop to go with LXQt.

12/11/24
I am about to release an Openbox spin for Manjaro.

12/10/24
I have both series built and it has given me some time to think. The project really doesnt have a focus. It started out making desktops and as more were added it just became a list of desktops. Some of the desktops have good download numbers, some dont. Sadly the ones with the lowest downloads also take the most work to build.
I am looking at what to keep, what to stop building, and what to add. LXQt will stay for sure, as well as Cinnamon. But I am thinking on focusing more on desktops that uses low system resources, though Cinnamon isnt in that category I love it.  Any of the three main desktops of Manjaro will need a good reason to continue building, and Gnome is likely going to be dropped.

More will be reviled as I do some more thinking and testing.

12/1/24
I just finished the release announcements for the Debian 1224 series. The Debian side of the project is running smoothly. I am starting to enjoy the predictable nature of Debian spins. They come out the same day every month and dont rely on a lot of waiting for updates to be released.
 
11/12/24
I have been waiting on the big monthly stable update for Manjaro before releasing the next release series. I have been busy getting theme sets done. At present there are 4 completely done, not counting the one for the next series. There are also 2 that just need icons to finish them. That will help getting releases out fast.

11/6/24
I got the 11/24 Debian series out in  one day. Mainly because I started building the packages and test iso's five days early. I am currently waiting on the next Manjaro stable update for the next release. Packages have dribbled out but there should be a big one soon.
I am really enjoying Quant. Everything just works and uploading changes is easy. I have pretty much finished the website check for old url's and everything should be working.

10/24/24
The move to QuantCDN is finished for the most part. I am sure there may be a few things I missed and will need to be fixed. But the repositories are online and the website is working nicely.  It will be nice to just use a host and not worry if its down.

10/21/24 Soon after I started the project I found TuxFamily. They offer free hosting for open source projects. Sadly over the last couple of years they have had a lot of down time that has left me scrambling for other hosts. All of which have been free hosts with limitations because there is no money available. I am disabled and on a fixed income, and donations to the project, which are appreciated, have been few.
During a search for another host because of problems at TuxFamily I came across QuantCDN. They offer free hosting for open source projects. I applied and SbK was approved. I will be moving to them for hosting the repositories and website. It likely will take some time to learn and setup the hosting, but life is a learning journey and I think its fun.

10/2/24
I managed to get the Debian series out in two days. It helped that while I was waiting for Manjaro I had everything done and tested. All that was left was building the final iso's.
I will start the Manjaro series today, and might get LXQt released later today if all goes well.

10/1/24
I was waiting for the usual monthly update for Manjaro, it didnt come in time. Debian is on a monthly schedule, so yesterday I started it. Today the Manjaro update drops. I cant build both at the same time. With whats going on with my wife I can only build one series at a time in the few minutes of free time I get. I will try and get Debian done as fast as I can, but Manjaro will have to wait till its done.

8/7/24
The 824 Debian series is done. I now have a little time before the next Manjaro series.
My wife is very sick. The doctors and nurses in the hospital wanted me to place her in a nursing facility.  I have poor insurance and the only places available were, to me, substandard. Reviews of people left in soiled diapers for hours were numerous. She has a dressing on her lower back that needs to be kept clean. So I brought her home.
I do have home health care coming in, friends, family, and my church to help. But its on me to do everything else. To say its hard is an understatement, but I will do it, there is no choice.
That being said I will continue the project. Its one of the mental breaks that keeps me sane. I also have about 4 months of themes ready in advance. Please be patient is a release is a little late.

7/21/24
This project has kept me sane during a very hard time in my life with my wife very sick. It helps a lot to have something to do without thinking about whats going on in my life. For everyone who has said a prayer for her, I thank you from the bottom of my heart to the top. I am a person of faith and know prayers are powerful.
The Manjaro 24.0.4 series is now done. Pantheon is just to broken to continue building, but I have added panel iso's to Mate and Xfce. I hope everyone who tries a spin finds them useful. I will continue making them as long as I can. Please understand if a release is late at this time. I will do my best to get releases out.

7/2/24
My wife is pretty sick and is in  a nursing home for long term antibiotics. This project is keeping me sane by distracting me when I am alone. I am spending a lot of time with her, and if something in the future is delayed please understand. I will do my best to keep putting the spins out, but some things are more important.
 
6/28/24
I have been looking at the Manjaro downloads for each of the desktops over a three month span. The data shows which are popular. LXQt and Cinnamon are the most popular, and then Mate, Xfce, and Gnome. Talking Mate is last, but Pantheon is close.
Talking Mate is something I will continue making no matter what. While it doesnt have a lot of downloads, its possible user base is smaller than standard desktops.
Pantheon is a lot of work, and while I like the desktop, its often broken and not usable. Gnome is not one of my favorite desktops and it also requires extra work to build.

All of this has me contemplating if it would be wiser to build fewer desktops, and add more options like a panel iso for those the project builds.

6/14/24
The Manjaro 24.0.2 series is done. Pantheon is again broken and I am seriously considering removing it from the desktops the project builds.
With a little time on my hands before the Debian builds at the end of the month I have to take care of a problem. One of the hard drives on the build server is making some noise and will likely go out at some point. I have a ssd I am going to be moving the build environments to. It should protect the data and as a side benefit speed up the building of iso's.
To accomplish this I will have to put the server offline. I am temporarily moving the website to Tuxfamily while I do the work. The only change that end users may notice is the url in the address bar will be different.

Update: The replacement went better than I expected. It took most of the morning till late afternoon to get data transferred and then fix broken links, NFS shares, and partition mounts. The build environments tested out and were about 7 minutes faster building a Cinnamon panel iso. 
5/24/24
The Manjaro series was finished a couple of days ago. The update was over two months from the last one and had some major updates, so it took some time. The changes to Pantheon were nice and will hopefully make it easier to build in the future.
I now have a few days before starting the Debian 6/24 series. The last series used an older Manjaro theme series that had never been used with Debian. Since the themes are pretty much interchangeable using an older series just means more themes for Debian in the SbK repositories. I plan on adding more themes this way. So for the 6/24 series I will again use a previous Manjaro theme series that doesnt exist in the Debian repositories. Current Manjaro themes will follow.
At present there are about 175 complete desktop themes in the Manjaro repositories with 6 new ones added monthly. The plan is at some point creating an application for Manjaro and Debian that can set any existing theme to a desktop. I dont have the coding skills at present but I am learning to code. If anyone would like to create an application that would do it, I would be happy and help in any way I can.

5/6/24
I have been able to complete the Debian 524 series. Talking Mate is the last one and it is built. I should upload it tonight after final testing and put out a release announcement in the morning.
The 524 series did not have a preceding Manjaro release so the themes wont be the same. Instead I used a theme series from before I started making Debian releases. This has the benefit of having more themes for Debian because the packages needed to use the themes are now in the Debian repository.

5/3/24
I was all ready to build the Debian 524 series. Then I found that there was a HUGE logjam in testing, at present count its over 700 packages just for LXQt. I was able  to build the minimal iso, but not the full. I contemplated ways around the problem, including building unstable iso's (which build fine). But in the end decided against it, after all Sid breaks things. The last thing I want is to put out iso's that fubar a month or so after install.
I will put off building the Debian series for a week or two. Even if a month is skipped its better than users with broken systems. The 424 series still install just fine, and will work even if packages are held back for a few weeks.

3/30/24
We are heading into the busiest time of year for gardening, and I love gardening. Early spring will eat my free time up quickly. To keep the releases on schedule I have started making themes for releases in advance. I now have 2 sets of themes done, and I am hoping to get at least one more ready. That way no matter what I can hopefully get a release out quickly.
At present the 4/24 Debian series is ready to build the final release iso's. I should have LXQt out on April 1st.

3/15/24
I have some family commitments this weekend, then I am an election judge on Tuesday of next week. Thats an all day thing and I am physically useless for a few days afterward.  Because of this I released almost all of the Manjaro 23.1.3.2m series today.
I still have Talking Mate left, and it will be released sometime next week. The older iso still works if you cant wait to install it.

2/28/24
After banging my head into a wall yesterday fixing the Directory Menu applet settings in the Xfce-Compiz release, a bug surfaces in the Cinnamon iso I built. Its an easy bug to troubleshoot this time, intel-ucode image not found,just like the amd-ucode error last series. It will take a lot more work to fix. This bug will affect anyone with intel graphics. That means a package needs to be added to all iso's, and so everything in this release series will have to be built and uploaded again.

2/24/24
I just announced the LXQt 23.1.3.1 release, its really nice in my opinion. I also finished changing to the new modified website theme. The pages look good and scale to about 800 pixels wide. That should be ok for most computers still in use today. The text overlaps the solid background below that slightly, but its still readable.
 
2/23/24
Real life got in the way of starting the Manjaro 23.1.3.1 series. Traveling 40 minutes one was for my wift to have a cataract removed, and then back the next day to a doctor, then taking care of her ate up my free time.  Some things are infintly more important than putting out spins. I will get the LXQt out today.
I also took a look at the website in Chrome. It was awful. I went to work and fixed it. The pages should all be replaced soon, I just need some free time, and that is in short supply lately.
 
2/9/24
After finishing the 2/24 Debian series I took a look at my electric bill. It seems leaving an extra computer on all the time to host the website is wrecking my budget plan. I had hoped the "Buy me a coffee" button would have helped offset the cost, but so far no one has donated. So its back to free hosting. The projects spinsbykilz.com url will be replaced by spins.tuxfamily.org.

1/14/24
The 23.1.3 Manjaro series is in progress. LXQt is uploading now.




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